99% of the rebels are home grown

Wow, they must be really lucky because the vast majority of the ones we have captured or killed are not from Iraq.

What is Moqtadar Al Sadr's group "the Mahdi army" if Iraqi?

A minority, dumbass.

OH NO THEY MUST BE FOREIGN dude you are a fool and I pity you.

I pity you your stupidity. When I was in the military I operated in that part of the world and know a hell of a lot more about it than your stupid cowardly ass ever will. I seriously doubt you've ever even been in that part of the world.

I have far more direct information on what is going on there than you ever will. Keep believing the garbage you're being fed and living the cowardly life you lead. You're nothing more than a small piece of shit in a very big bowl.

>The insurgency is waiting for you, too.


they cant cross the atlantic to get here buddy so theres nothing to worry about.
And when they do get here ... I have a surprise for them ... you see I take the
"right to bear arms"
LITERALLY

So does EVERYONE within earshot of me.


We dont have a problem as long as they stay in their country and I stay in mine.
And so far ... it is WE who have violated that rule, so we FULLY DESERVE whats coming to us.
next question

>Why aren't cheering on CHavez in Venezuala

Whats wrong with Chavez in Venezuela ... he was democratically elected although we tried to do a
Mossadegueh or Allende on him and failed.

What he does is his business ... if the Venezuelan people dont like him ... theyll find a way to
remove him peacefully or otherwise ...

I dont think hes going anywhere though ... hes a socialist bringing real change to the struggling
masses ... change not seen in a while in that country ...

Again I dont give a damn about Venezuela ... I am an American ... what Venezuela does is Venezuela'
business

>lobbing rockets into Israel?

Again I have no issues with Israel ... what they do in the middle east is THEIR CONCERN. They can
defend themselves anyway they see fit ... and so can the Palestinians.

Personally neither has the moral high ground in this endless dispute. BOTH have blood on their
hands ... let the god they claim to serve settle it.

If the bibles account is correct these two are cousins ... so it should be interesting what side
"this god both claim to serve" will take in this dispute.

EVERY MAN THINKS GOD IS ON HIS SIDE



>The US military wouldn't allow me to join now,


COWARDDDDDDD

I read in the local paper about how the army signs up retards and functional illeterates. Even a
66 year old lady got the call up.

I think you are the PERFECT NEOCON ... A BLATANT COWARD
you Dr Guy, the Drbison or whatever nick he uses

You all have a thousand excuses just like the people who work for me ... right wingers ... whenever
you say "hey join up or put your son up" they scream:
its a volunteer army (so go volunteer)
I have cataracts (no problem just shoot where you are told)
I have a broken back (fine ... stay in one place and shoot)
I have a family to support (we have social programs for them in the event of your death)


you bastards got a THOUSAND excuses thats why i dont take you seriously and I fear the day when
this country is invaded (because we cant be a super power forever).

you fools will sell us out to the invader in seconds ...

you bastards got a THOUSAND excuses thats why i dont take you seriously and I fear the day when this country is invaded (because we cant be a super power forever). you fools will sell us out to the invader in seconds ...

I served my country and have two Purple Hearts to prove it. Have you? Or are you just another blowhard piece of shit? More likely it's garbage like you who would hand over the country while blowing the invaders.

>I have far more direct information on what is going on there than you ever will.

SHUT THE FUCK UP

you dont have any "special" information other than what you read from the CENTCOM manual idiot.
who are you FOOLING ... who the fuck do you think you are? "captain america"?
put the crack pipe down !!!!!

you must think you are the only one here whos served in the armed forces!
that now makes two of us NIMROD.

this whole shit is bunch of lies ... he asked you a question about the Mahdi Army and you say its
a minority ... do you know how many people have signed up?

How they hell can they be a minority if they went into an uprising against us not once but twice
and the Mahdi is still armed and running Badgdad ???

Didnt we waste like 500 of them the last time ... and they are still running around???
Do you know how large a group you would need to police Bagdgad like the Mahdi Army is doing right
now?

minority my ass
put the fucking crack pipe down

#19 by aldorus_blackwolf (Anonymous user) Sat, July 08, 2006 8:50 PM

Yep, somebody does need to put down the crack pipe alright.

What does the success of our side bring to me? Nothing either way.

Your brothers, your fellow Americans not coming home in body bags?

Reread my comment ... I clearly stated that I would be doing what they are doing (open and violent rebellion) if the positions were reversed and they had invaded here.

Get a clue, there is no analogous situation here. An analogous situation cannot occur here, our countries and our histories could hardly be more different. My statement remains. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were a Sunni in Iraq, you'd be praying the death squads didn't get you. All your statements about what you would do are mere bravado. You wouldn't do a damn thing. I met than a few pussies who sounded a lot like you in Rhodesia; those who talked about what they'd do if they got their hands on a ZANLA terrorist, only to cower in fear when they launched a surprise attack.

Their victory is the victory of the comman man against an invading force and I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT ... no matter how much of our own bleeds for them to gain it.

I'm in support of the actually real existence of my brothers who fight, not some bullshit sentiment of universal "common man." That's for the pussified "one worlders." I'm not even American by birth. I was a British subject of the colony of Rhodesia by birth. But I always had a love for my Anglo-Saxon brothers, regardless of the fact that we were abandoned in our time of need by virtually everyone. Believe this, Rombios. In the near future when the mestizoes in the Southwest secede to establish Aztlan, you'd better not be in my unit, because you wouldn't survive five minutes.

maybe next time, we will think twice before we try and impose our will on another who hasnt the means to fight back ... another who hasnt wronged "us"

There's a way to do that without encouraging the killing of your brothers (that's what my fellow countrymen are--brothers) don't support nation-building exercises, especially among the savages of the Middle East.

no know nothing of me. But Ill play your game: Shiites' right? arent they the majority in government? our NEW allies? These death squads ... any different from the Nicaraquan variant Negroponte set up?

I don't give a damn who's on which team. I don't care that Shiites kill Sunnis, and Sunnis kill Shiites. They are not my people. I care that my brothers are shedding blood for people who hate them. I'm not a supporter of the occupation, and never have been, so your arguments are worthless. Do some background checks before you make a stupid argument.

Good for you. Obviously you havent seen enough ... or youve chosen NOT TO LEARN anything from it.

Mine is a point of view based on experience, four years of counter-insurgency in Rhodesia, mind you; yours is based on nothing but vicariousness. You're like some commie lawyer in the NLG who takes a case pro-bono to support some pinko clown because you don't have the balls to fight themselves.

AGAIN I support the rebellion against an invasion whether or not its by sunnis in the so called "insurgency" or by nationalistic shiites allied with Moqtadar Al Sadr

Please please please, tell me who's fighting in Iraq and why they're fighting. If you think you can sum it up in one parapgraph, here's a clue: youre wrong.

I LAUGH at stupid idiotic iraqi's holding: wedding ceremonies family gatherings going to school building a life an family while all this is going on They are complete and utter MORONS. There should be nothing more that VIOLENT rebellion in the streets. there should be no breathing or eating or sleeping until the occupation ends by FORCE OF WILL. So the ones trying to restore their life and finding death ... deserve it. There should be open rebellion by the entire populace against the coalition ... anything less is a joke ...

Rombios, you are a f'n joke. I would do this...I would do that...I'm a real badass. Internet Guerilla. That's all you are. That's all you'll ever be.

By the way ... THATS US YOU KNOW did you read the one about the marine that stalked a young girl for a few days then went into her place RAPED HER (while her family was detained by our "noble" troops) then set her on fire and put bullet holes through the rest of the family Shiite deathsquads? NEA GOOD SIR tis our "christian" troops

So there are not Shiite death squads that you would have to fear if you were a Sunni? Why exactly did the townspeople believe the perpetrators were just that?

read my comment on terpfan's blog
https://forums.joeuser.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=3&AID=122053#947227

One response to mine is all you get. Cowards need not post on my blog.

Please please please, tell me who's fighting in Iraq and why they're fighting. If you think you can sum it up in one parapgraph, here's a clue: youre wrong.

Best line I've read in a while.

If you two are going to bicker back and forth about Jaish Al-Mahdi, please post some factual information, for your side or agains the other.

According to Insurgency and Counter-Insurgency in Iraq The insurgency is overwhelmingly Sunni Arab, and overwhelmingly native-born. Foreign fighters are perhaps less than 10% of the combatants. The Shiite insurgency is virtually non-existent. Some Shiites have formed death squads and have become active in hunting down Sunnis, especially after the bombing of the Shiite mosque in Samarra in February.

There is also division among the Shiites. Sadrists tend to be the really poor Iraqi Shiites in eastern Baghdad's Sadr City. SCIRI is a Iranian-influenced Iraqi Shiite party with it's own militia, the Badr Corp. From what I read it has been given training and material from Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Many Iraqi Shiites do not trust the organization and view it as an Iranian fifth column. Dawa is another Iraqi Shiite organization with links to Iran, and Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki is the leader of the party.

Foreign fighters are perhaps less than 10% of the combatants.

This simply doesn't jobe with the numbers captured or killed. Perhaps the Iraqis are just amazingly lucky.

*jobe=jibe

>Mine is a point of view based on experience, four years of counter-insurgency in Rhodesia,

How did that work out for you?
Rhodesia is Zimbabwe and its not going back ... stop living in the past. What was done by the
racists then was wrong ... case closed.

Britain did that nonsense when she was a world power ... you would think America would have
learned that by now:
its a classic case of what happens when
1. you cross your borders into another mans and try and impose your will
2. the silly belief that the above can be maintained for long

Look, i am no soldier ... no do i ever want to be.
But I can tell you this ... I will do whatever is humanly possible to defend my family. And in
that I support what ANY rebellion is doing to restore their right to self determination.

Bragging about counter-insurgency operations that OBVIOUSLY FAILED is silly ... and has no bearing
in the discussion I have raised.

My point remains the same:
STICK TO YOUR OWN BORDERS AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
IF YOU BREAK THE RULE ABOVE, EXPECT TO LOSE YOUR LIFE. VIOLENTLY!!!

>This simply doesn't jobe with the numbers captured or killed.

what you meanth to say is that:
"this doesnt jobe with the propaganda coming out of centcom"

where everyone we kill is Al Queda' number 3,4 or 5:
who the hell is doing the fighting if everyone is at position 3,4 or 5 JEESHHH

again turn off the t.v

Bakerstreet:

No, I think we can be QUITE certain that we've ended the Zarqawi's violence. Killing a violent man need not be justified by ending all violence. Ending his is enough. If others decide to become violent, that's their free will, not the blame of people fighting Zarqawi's wrongs.

If this were a matter of simple crime and punishment, like a death penalty case here in America, I'd agree with you. But this is a matter of military operations, and they are conducted with the prospect of reducing or eliminating the enemy's will and/or ability to continue the fight. I applaud his death in the "you can run but you can't hide" sense, but it's not enough. People of his ilk are the ones who will continue the fight outside Iraq, and that's why I actually support the cease fire offer that the secular/nationalist insurgent organizations have made. Iraq is increasingly unpopular at home. Within the next two years, troops will be coming home. And I think the 2006 and 2008 elections will see the emergence of more withdrawal sentiment among politicians. By January 2009, i think most American troops will be out. If we are planning on being out by then, why not take the deal? We could end attacks against American troops by these groups, AND enlist the help of these groups in killing the jihadists in the country. I don't think they'd make the offer if they weren't in a precarious position themselves. They're afraid of the Shiites death squads getting them, and probably fearful of Salafists or Shiite theocracy.

Of course, we'd need them to prove they'd stop attack against us. We could have them seriously attack the jihadists to prove they're being honest.

#28 by rombios (Anonymous user) Sat, July 08, 2006 9:32 PM

I don't watch tv dipshit